Join us as we invite Special Guest Star Rupert Boneham of Survivor Fame onto the Show.
We'll be discussing Reality TV - Quality vs Quantity?
For more info on Rupert visit
I Saw You On TV
Ruperts Kids
David's Topic's:
1. Let's All Go To The Creation Museum
2.Sex Ed in Kindergarten
Steve's Topics:
1.Who's More Valuable to the World: a Teacher, a Police Ofiicer, or a
TV Perfomer?
2.Say it isn't so!? The end of the "Weekly World News"!
9 comments:
Sup guys,
Thought I would try to comment early so that maybe it can help the debate out a little, since I can't use Talkshoe.
First...
Rupert
The man is a gahd among men when it comes to reality TV. He was the best thing to happen to Survivor and RTV in general.
When I first saw him I thought... who is this hippy dude... then he went pirate and stole the other teams shoes to sell and trade for goods... the man had a fan for life. I was bummed hard when he was voted off, then exited when he was brought imediatly onto the all-star jammy jam... and disapointed again when he was gone... again. Only to see him gat the money anyway. That is one lucky guy right there, and all the best to him for having life give him a break.
Creationist Museum
Are you kidding me... is this the year 2008 or the year 8. Have we not come to grips with the fact that we were once just a microscopic one celled organism and that the world as well as ourselves EVOLVED... I guess not. It seems crazy to me tpo anyone could still believe this cr@p, in this day and age. I went to school with a girl who thought this way and I would argue with her just to pass the time while working on a project. It's a bunch of stories with some fact sprinkled in for flavor. A work of mostly fiction intended to get people to stop being the lunatics they were in that time period. People killed on a whim, slept with ever thing that moved, at like pigs while others starved, and were basically well organized savages. They needed a book of law that people would fear and take heed of and the bible did the trick. There were other books of law before them, but none were as affective at brainwashing the masses. The philosophies and ideas held within it are great, but not to be taken as serious accounts of history, especially the one that exists today which is a crime in and of itself for being blatently mistranscribed and edited over the ages. Priest and others alike would make notes in the margins of original versions and the scribes who copied... not wrote, since they could not read nor write... added these notes in as if they were meant to be there since they were just reproducing the images and symbols, and hade no idea what it said or meant.. this is proven and admitted by the Vatican, so how can we still be holding this simple book as truth in an age where the heads of the religion say it can't all be fact? I better stop here on this subject since I get carried away easily.
Harry Potter
I think it's great. There wasn't alot of good writing out there when I was a kid that was on a kids level. These books have made a whole new generation of readers, which in turn will help slow the evergrowing amount of idiots we al have to deal with in the future. Again I am brought back to the last topic... the whole debate as to wether or not this book is against gahd or not, is rediculous. People need to let it go all ready.
"This here devil book made my child read something that goes against what the good book tells us is true." GROW UP. This is a great thing in the age of "No child left behind." .. which really means if we kick out all the stupid kids from our schools we can make it seem like we have smarter children than we really do, which inturn makes the kids just above those dee dee dee's look like the new stupid kids and eventually they will be the ones getting the shaft from our shameful educational system, breeding more and more stupid children and a dumbed down society which is easier to control, because idiots don't make demands of their governments and the rich stay rich. For example did you know that if we held off on the space program for three years we would have enough money to begin a universal health care system in our country... I mean honestly, do we really need to go to Mars so soon, do we really need to send a 65 billion dollar probe into space just to have it collide with a comet and be destroyed... I say NO. We have already polluted the atmosphere of Jupiter... were not happy with destroying our own planet, we have to destroy others as well. It's about time we focused on making the world a better place, because in a better world, there will be time for off orld exploration and more people to attend to it. In the End there wouldn't be a need for things like Rupert's Kids because we would care for everyone as a whole. (But Rupert man keep up the amazing work!) Lost my train of thought here... oh yeah, Harry Potter is a good thing for the world and I find nothing wrong with it.
Catholicville or Christianica
I think all of the topics that proceed this one may shed some light on this topic from my point of view, so consider this one answered.
Sex Ed in KG
Another thing I don't have a problem with. If you have seen the or heard the people who are always going up against this idea, you normally find a bunch of morons that think they are bringing in hookers off the street to put on dildo shows for these kids, and that there will be a bunch of kindergerten student sitting around putting condoms on bannanas and such... They're not. This is simple Girls have a vagina, boys have a penis kind of stuff that kids should learn and most will know already. Parents explain the difference between boys and girls very early on now a days, so does it matter if the school does it for them. It could be worse... they could be teaching our kids Creationism... lol
Well, that about does it for me. Time flies when your on a rant.
Cya
DeD
P.S. Sorry about the book I just wrote... lol
Well I missed one topic and now that Steve's topics are up, I guess I can give them a go aw well.
The YouTube Debate
Waste of time and effort. You tube was once a ground breaking piece of pop culture and is now a corparate (google owned) lump of poo. The candidates gave out the same crappy preprocessed talking points they dish out all the time. Using someone's name just before you ignore their question completely does not make it a better debate, it makes it a mockery and an insult to the American people, especially the youth of the day. They asked valid and important questions, than CNN took the ones they new the candidates would actually answer, and then they answered what ever they wanted. For instance a question that was asked about health care was completely looked over as one of the candidates answered with Health care is important, then immediatly went into talking points that covered everything, but health care. This is a sore topic for me since I do not have health insurance and work my a$$ off just to be broke. This was a mistake waiting to happen and now that it has, I can't wait for their next stupid gimmick.
Bizzare Foods
Any food that is put out in order to promote a movie. Right now 7-11 is selling Krusty'os which like all movie promotion food, will probably taste like @$$. If you want a box that represents the Simpsons movie and Krusty'os, by all means go out and buy it, but do not eat it, the box and cereal inclosed will probably taste the same.
More Valuable
I would say a teacher is first. Without teachers we have nothing so they are the most important. The second, which will probably make you all laugh is the TV performer... hear me out. I only say this because I know cops and hang out with some cops as well and they are always complaining about how their jobs have become a waste of time and money. They spend most of their time doing less than worthy jobs that entail harrassing kids so they don't hang out on a street corner or something stupid like that. At least the TV performer can maybe get a message out there to the people of the world, while a cop goes out and does something useless, then has to cut out early to do the mountain of paperwork that waits for them back at HQ. The police in the U.S.A. have become less than effective. I know cops that if something went down wouldn't call the cops because it just seems to make things worse and can be turned around on you. Nothing like calling the cops and getting arrested yourself. People are for the most part more scarred by the police than they feel comfortable around them. I for one see a cop on the road and the only thing that goes through my mind is, I hope this guy is in a good mood and isn't going to screw with me for no apparent reason... which they do. My cop friends don't profile or discriminate, they just pick random people to mess with... and this is their jobs. It is sad that we live in a country that has a police force to protect us and most people fear them, and when they are called you can get attitude from the dispatcher, and then wait hours for them to actually show up.
Superhero Movie
I have never really been into Hero books, but I have always liked comics. SO I would vote for some off the wall things. I would like to see a movie that was based on the comic "Kabuki" by David Mack, He is one of the most brilliant artists to grace the comics world in a long time and has a very specific look to his multi-media work. His most frequently asked question, how long does it take you to photoshop your pages together... His most given answer... I don't own a computer. The man is a genius, the problem lies in finding someone who could pull off the look.
There is also "The Pro" which I highly recommend to any adult readers. The story follows a broke @$$ prostitute and single mother who is given super powers by aliens in order to help save the worl. It is raunchy, raw, and a laugh riot. Lastly I would like to see "Wanted" turned into a movie. This is the story off a useless excuse for a man who finds out that his father was a supervillian that was killed and he is being recruited to take his place, and finds out he is just as good at being bad as his father was. They live in a world where super villians are in control and are actually moving into other dimensions or alternate realities and in mass slaughtering the heros of each new world they come to. It is a great read and well worth the money... although they are already turning it into a movia and Angelina Jolie is schedualed to play FOX I would love for this to not only be great comic, but a great movie as well.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493464/
Link to Wanted imdb page
Weekly World News
Well I guess the men in Black are going to have a hard time finding aliens from now on... lol
Anyway, I think this is great Rags like these are not meant to be taken seriously, but sometimes are, by the stupid people... and we could all use a little less of that IMHO. The only thing left is to do away with magazines like People and Star and any other Papparazzi feeding pieces of Fea-yu. Get rid of the need to know what Lindsay did this week, this in turn gets rid of the Magazine, which in turn gets rid of the Papparazzi, and then no one will care about celebrities and the real TV news might have some time laft to cover, oh I don't know... News, and making us fear ... Toilet paper and oven mitts.
Oh yeah... I also knew that Abe was a woman... HE was my great, great, great, great, great Grandma and in real life a racist pig. He is given credit for freeing the slaves, but it was only done so that the Blacks of the north would take up arms against the south. It is a damn shame that this is overlooked in most history books.
Well C-ya
DeD
Somebody needs to build a Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Museum
Wow, I hope more people find their way to these comment pages so we can have a balanced discussion. I will also admit that I haven't heard this episode yet. My wife is a big Rupert fan, and I liked him in the Survivor episodes I saw from his seasons. I am not a die-hard Survivor fan, so I missed a lot of episodes. Regarding Creation/Evolution, there is a lot I could say, but I will wait until I have heard the episode.
Maybe the links to the comment pages could be bigger?
Fred from Long Island
OK, the weekend has come and gone. No additional comments on this page. I have it on my calendar to participate LIVE this week if I can. 5 PM Eastern time is a little rough for us folks who are in the Eastern time zone. Not sure why Dave and Steve picked it. Anyway...
I have listened to the entire episode now. Here are my comments about the discussion:
Rupert
Rupert! Rupert! Rupert! As I said previously, I am not a die-hard Survivor fan but I did enjoy seeing him, and my wife is a big fan. This interview provided some great insight into his real life, as well as his opinions on various topics. I think as time goes on there are fewer people of his caliber entering the reality show talent pool. As he said, it's more "marketable" to have people behaving badly rather than showing people improving themselves. Hollywood might be surprised at the results, though, if they gave it a try.
Creation Museum
I am one of those "crazy people" who believes the universe was created in a literal six day period. I am sympathetic to those who believe in a "day age" theory, in which the "days" are representative of long periods of time. It's not my preference, but I can see where it explains certain things such as the geological evidence, etc. I can't really entertain the idea of theistic evolution, though. There is a lot of trial and error involved in Darwinist evolution. Not only does the fossil evidence for that seem to be lacking, but it seems to be a cruel and random way for God to create anything. As someone I admire has said, "Believe in evolution if you want, but don't blame God for it."
OK, that's my position, but the discussion at hand is really about the Creation Museum and whether it should exist. Now, you may be surprised to read that I don't agree with the views of museum founder Ken Ham and his organization. I think he makes the six-day creation a test for Christian orthodoxy, and I indicated above that I am willing to go beyond that for the purposes of discussion. Also, I haven't been to the museum myself to see how it presents the material. That being said, there is a lot of information available in the so-called Creation research community that is worth examining. Google these topics for example:
creation research
irreducible complexity
These are not anti-scientific quacks. OK, maybe some of them are, but you might be surprised at the number of scientific researchers (PhDs and everything) who are making intelligent arguments for the existence of a creator. I know we're not going to solve the creation/evolution debate here, so let's just ask "Should the Creation Museum exist?" If they are presenting the research of these scientists in a responsible manner, then I say yes. If they are just another example of "Believe it because I said so," then hopefully they will wither away.
Thanks for the opportunity to have this important discussion!
Why does the six day/adam and eve from dirt creation story automatically get more credence than Pan Gu forming the heavens and earth from the contents of the egg he was trapped in as he smashed out of it? Or the Ancients awaking from the dreamtime to form humans? Or even Odin crafting the world from the skin of Ymir and he and his brothers forming humans from floating logs? How does the Jewish/Christian creation story make more sense than any other?
Also, if the earth is only thousands of years old, why does it APPEAR to be billions of years old? Did the creator intend to mislead us? It seems like a pretty rotten trick to me.
Usually, most people don’t think there’s very much fossil evidence because they don’t look for it. You can look here to see some:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html
Also, irreducible complexity has been investigated and discredited. You can find some info on it here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB200.html
And if you look into Behe’s testimony at the recent Dover Intelligent Design trial, when confronted by a stack of reports that refute his irreducible complexity claims he admits that he hasn’t read ANY of it. No credible scientist would ignore the criticisms of their theories.
As for the creation museum, I’m sure it will soon become just like a regular museum and no one will want to go. Unfortunately it’s got private sponsors who will keep pumping money into it no matter how poorly it does.
Keep up the great work David and Steve!
jmilillustrates, thanks for your thoughtful reply. I certainly don't have the time or the references to counter each point on the website you mention. I will read it with great interest. From what I have read so far, some valid points are made, with some jabs made at religious belief along the way.
I think that the shift away from a Judaeo-Christian mindset (for good or bad) has forced Christians to do the research to back up the Bible in terms of archaeology and science. Christian faith is grounded in history which claims to go back to the beginning of time. As such, it is not a matter of "getting more credence" than other creation narratives. Any creation narrative, if it claims to be true, should have its roots in history and evidence.
Let's turn the tables for a moment: There are a lot of theories in the area of evolution research. Yes, I know, a theory can be more than the "educated guess," but in many cases, we see a small number of fossils leading to a conclusion about a particular species, or the words "could have", "might have," etc, appearing in literature. Yes, the scientific investigation continues, and I am certainly not saying it should stop. Unfortunately, when the Creationist community proposes their own research and theories, the reaction from the general scientific community is patronizing at best and more likely hysterical ("They are trying to promote anti-science!").
BTW, seeing opposing views to Behe's research and others' on the website you mentioned does not settle the issue. It does provide some food for thought and a meaningful dialogue.
I guess my questions would be: How can you ever come to a firm conclusion that a "creator" DIDN'T create the universe.I mean I could say that a magical winged donkey sneezed and what came out of his nose were the stars and planets, and no one could ever conclusively say that my theory isn't what happened. Falsifiability is one of the key concepts of scientific theories, and I don't think that any creation story could ever be indisputably shot down. Also, what would it take to PROVE any creation hypothesis?
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